Download this episode (right click and save)
Friend1: We know that Bhagavan, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, appears in this world from time to time.
Friend2: Whenever there is a decline in adherence to religious principles, dharma. A corresponding rise in irreligion, adharma.
Friend1: To give protection to the saintly people, sadhu. To give the proper punishment to the miscreants.
Friend2: The avatara, referring to someone who descends from the spiritual world.
Friend1: Since the time is fixed, the avatara appears and disappears. Coming and going. Blessing the eyes with the vision of a transcendental form. Remaining for some time. Performing pastimes. Providing endless content to fill pages of Puranas and other recorded recollections published in a beautiful poetic style in a Sanskrit-type language.
Friend2: Another instance of Bhagavan’s causeless mercy. He doesn’t have to do any of that. He could leave us here to suffer. It is our choice, after all, but He tries to help us make the right decision in favor of dharma.
Friend2: You mean with the arrow of the hunter hitting the sole?
Friend1: Not even that. The destruction of the Yadu dynasty. This is the family in which Krishna appears. They should be happy. They should be always victorious. Instead, at the end everyone turns against one another.
Friend2: That is when Krishna knows it is time to leave. The work has been done. The burden on the earth is lessened. She is the one who petitioned Vishnu directly. In the beginning Bhumi Devi visits the spiritual world in the form of a cow and describes the inauspicious conditions.
Friend2: Right.
Friend1: Where was the same protection for the Yadus?
Friend2: What do you think the answer is?
Friend1: Krishna chose not to protect them.
Friend2: Exactly. He is the ultimate cause and effect. We make the choice to act, but material nature, prakriti, must give sanction for the result to manifest. This is for something as large and complex as a war and also something as simple as deciding to speak a word.
Friend1: Why couldn’t the Yadus leave peacefully, though? Why did that fratricidal conflict have to take place during Krishna’s time?
Friend2: He had technically left the scene. He sung the Uddhava-gita and then left the world. He knew what was coming and warned those who should be notified.
Friend1: Does this mean that we are not safe even in Krishna’s presence?
Friend2: It means that no one is safe in the material world. Everyone has to leave eventually. But remember, it is something like a dream. You can’t stay asleep forever. Eventually the dream dissipates. The same applies to the experience in this life. What matters most is to where we go next. Krishna’s associates always stay with Him, as was explained to Arjuna:
श्री-भगवान् उवाच
बहूनि मे व्यतीतानि
जन्मानि तव चार्जुन
तान्य् अहं वेद सर्वाणि
न त्वं वेत्थ परन्तपśrī-bhagavān uvāca
bahūni me vyatītāni
janmāni tava cārjuna
tāny ahaṁ veda sarvāṇi
na tvaṁ vettha parantapa“The Blessed Lord said: Many, many births both you and I have passed. I can remember all of them, but you cannot, O subduer of the enemy!” (Bhagavad-gita, 4.5)
Friend1: I’m assuming this also applies to those who are Krishna conscious; i.e. devotees who are not necessarily directly in the presence of Krishna’s avatara.
Friend2: What applies?
Friend1: The lack of protection.
Friend2: The devotion will always be protected. Not that you will remain in the same position indefinitely. Even the Pandavas returned to the spiritual world. Their notable successor, Maharaja Parikshit, famously quit his body while listening to Hari-katha for seven days on the banks of the Yamuna River. Those are all auspicious ends that give encouragement to anyone who has doubts.
In Closing:
If harboring doubt,
See how history turned out.
For Parikshit on banks hearing,
Pandavas fate to heaven steering.
In this life rising and falling,
Victor today, tomorrow as loser calling.
All something like a dream,
Known clearly when Krishna seen.

